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robertmilesSend message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1259 Credit: 14,421,737 RAC: 0 |
Add the following two lines to the end of your hosts file. I found nothing labelled DOS prompt. I found what appears to be the hosts file and edited it it to add the lines. I found nothing to make the changes take effect, so I rebooted the computer. Still no signs of the changes taking effect. |
Grant (SSSF)Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1922 Credit: 18,534,891 RAC: 0 |
I found nothing labelled DOS prompt. I found what appears to be the hosts file and edited it it to add the lines. I found nothing to make the changes take effect, so I rebooted the computer. Still no signs of the changes taking effect.Re-open the file hosts in "C:/Windows/System32/Drivers/etc/" and make sure that 128.95.160.156 boinc-files.bakerlab.org 128.95.160.156 bwsrv1.bakerlab.org are in there. I personally find it easier to copy the hosts file to another location, edit and save it, then rename the exiting hosts file hosts.old, then copy the just edited file back in to the "C:/Windows/System32/Drivers/etc/" folder. Much easier than mucking around with permissions IMHO. Grant Darwin NT |
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Christopher Graesser Send message Joined: 26 Jan 16 Posts: 5 Credit: 1,192,390 RAC: 0 |
Hi, I'm facing the problem, that I'm not able to select the specific application I want to run (in my profile settings). I'm using BOINC since 2008 and back in the middle of the ages it was possible to select this in your profile settings (along with the option to receive WUs for other applications if there are now WU's for your currently selected application), specificially I want to avoid receiving beta WU's here at "normal" Rosetta@home. I dont have and never had an account for the R@h Beta project but do receive beta WU's here. I know, that according to the server status there are no "normal" WU's right now but pls let me uncheck receiving beta WUs, they are useless for my system. When I abort them on my system, its decreasing the trust factor of this system and keeps me busy for no good reason. Thanks guys. :) |
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Sid Celery Send message Joined: 11 Feb 08 Posts: 2538 Credit: 47,076,156 RAC: 25,761 |
Got my last new task at 09:22 UTC, only some resends after that moment. Fair enough if you've got reliability concerns. You have to do whatever you need to to remain successful. By all means run a smaller cache than 2 days if you need to as well - I got the impression one or two of your machines run a pretty large cache already and 8hr runtimes may push you past Rosetta's 3-day deadline
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Grant (SSSF)Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1922 Credit: 18,534,891 RAC: 0 |
I want to avoid receiving beta WU's here at "normal" Rosetta@home.Along with many other issues with the project- that is another one. The Beta Tasks aren't actually Beta Tasks- they are production Tasks, with Beta in their name. The only difference between them and the Rosetta 4.20 Tasks (from a processing point of view) is the default Run time, and they generally require much less RAM than the Rosetta 4.20 Tasks. They are producing Valid science, they are not being run for the sake of testing. The site for doing actual Beta testing, has been deader than a dodo for almost 18 months. Grant Darwin NT |
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Garrulus glandarius Send message Joined: 25 Apr 25 Posts: 19 Credit: 1,482,838 RAC: 37,221 |
Fair enough if you've got reliability concerns. You have to do whatever you need to to remain successful. Here's the current, possibly final setup: - I kept the 4-hour runtime on the Intel Ultra and the old i7-1165G7 which both tend to run longer than the set time. - After testing 12-hour tasks which resulted in similar credits/hour as the regular 8-hour tasks, I'll keep the 2 workhorse 5825Us and two old Intels with 8-hour tasks. Cache is set to 2+0,5 days on all machines.
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Christopher Graesser Send message Joined: 26 Jan 16 Posts: 5 Credit: 1,192,390 RAC: 0 |
Thanks Grant for clarifying this. In this case I will reconsider running Rosetta. Seems many of the BOINC projects are dead or having issues nowadays (*cough* WCG *cough*). |
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Bill Swisher Send message Joined: 10 Jun 13 Posts: 92 Credit: 64,413,151 RAC: 68,538 |
Well it was a good run. Looks, to me, like it was about 3 weeks of tasks. I've got maybe a days worth in the queue(s). Now new taskings have dropped to pretty much nil and I've turned WCG back on.
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Grant (SSSF)Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1922 Credit: 18,534,891 RAC: 0 |
- I kept the 4-hour runtime on the Intel Ultra and the old i7-1165G7 which both tend to run longer than the set time.Which indicates their CPU's are busy doing work other than BOINC. If this shouldn't be the case, you can use Task Manager (or better yet Process Explorer) to see what else is making use of the CPU. Or you can make use of the local settings (or separate web based preferences) to limit the number of cores/threads BOINC can use so that BOINC processing isn't impacted by the other work on the system that's taking up CPU time. Cache is set to 2+0,5 days on all machines.xx days + 0.01 additional days is best. The larger the additional days setting, the lower the cache falls from it's full capacity before it refills... Grant Darwin NT |
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Garrulus glandarius Send message Joined: 25 Apr 25 Posts: 19 Credit: 1,482,838 RAC: 37,221 |
Which indicates their CPU's are busy doing work other than BOINC. There are periods when those laptops are used, but they also idle a lot and are running 24/7. The Ultra 5 has a mix of performance and efficiency cores and I think it swaps tasks between them while running. I've seen the same pattern with all projects on that laptop. When running very standardized tasks like WCG I can sometimes see the 8+10 thread setup based on the speed at which tasks are running. The other laptop is old and worn out, it simply runs all tasks longer than expected, in every project. xx days + 0.01 additional days is best. Oh, I wasn't aware, thanks for pointing it out!
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Grant (SSSF)Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1922 Credit: 18,534,891 RAC: 0 |
The Ultra 5 has a mix of performance and efficiency cores and I think it swaps tasks between them while running. I've seen the same pattern with all projects on that laptop. When running very standardized tasks like WCG I can sometimes see the 8+10 thread setup based on the speed at which tasks are running.It's not a core swapping or old and tired issue- what is is that BOINC Tasks are lower priority than many others. So when something else is running on the system, the BOINC tasks keep running, but they get less CPU time, hence the difference between CPU time (actual processing) and Run time (how long it actually takes to do that processing- think clock on the wall). Those systems are just as capable of doing 8 hours of work in only a little over 8 hours of time, just like your other systems. eg this Task 12 hours to actually do 7 hrs 12min of processing would be because the CPU is busy doing non-BOINC work. On 2 of my systems i ended up using 3rd party AV software because Microsoft Defender on those Win10 systems ended up using a core/thread for extended periods of time for no obvious reason. On a previous Win7 system i ended up disabling Windows Update because the Windows updater service would start up and never shut down, using 50% of my CPU. And the way i found these issues occurring- the big difference between CPU time & Run time for Tasks on those systems, and Process Explorer to see what was going on. The other easier option is just to limit the number of cores/threads available to BOINC. If the other software needs 1, take 1 from BOINC. If it needs 5, take 5 from BOINC. End result- 7hrs 15min to do 7hrs 12min of work instead of 12hrs. Grant Darwin NT |
robertmilesSend message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1259 Credit: 14,421,737 RAC: 0 |
I found nothing labelled DOS prompt. I found what appears to be the hosts file and edited it it to add the lines. I found nothing to make the changes take effect, so I rebooted the computer. Still no signs of the changes taking effect.Re-open the file hosts in "C:/Windows/System32/Drivers/etc/" and make sure that After correcting a one character error and getting advice on what the Windows symbols on my keyboard not on the Windows 11 help lists mean, and rebooting again, I keep getting messages about the server I am trying to send something to (IPv4) being offline. 1/2/2026 2:55:02 PM | Rosetta@home | Scheduler request completed 1/2/2026 2:55:02 PM | Rosetta@home | Server error: feeder not running 1/2/2026 2:55:02 PM | Rosetta@home | Project requested delay of 3600 seconds |
Grant (SSSF)Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1922 Credit: 18,534,891 RAC: 0 |
The instructions we have been giving are for Windows. You're running Alpine LINUX. Linux https://www.alpineweb.com/backroom/knowledgebase/314/DNS-Hosts-File.html#linux Grant Darwin NT |
robertmilesSend message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1259 Credit: 14,421,737 RAC: 0 |
The instructions we have been giving are for Windows. I'm still running Windows 11! I've run enough operating systems over the years to know the difference! 1/2/2026 10:51:00 AM | | cc_config.xml not found - using defaults 1/2/2026 10:51:00 AM | | Starting BOINC client version 8.2.8 for windows_x86_64 1/2/2026 10:51:00 AM | | log flags: file_xfer, sched_ops, task 1/2/2026 10:51:00 AM | | Libraries: libcurl/8.17.0-DEV Schannel zlib/1.3.1 1/2/2026 10:51:00 AM | | Data directory: C:ProgramDataBOINC 1/2/2026 10:51:00 AM | | Running under account Robert Miles 1/2/2026 10:51:01 AM | | CUDA: NVIDIA GPU 0: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (driver version 581.57, CUDA version 13.0, compute capability 6.1, 4.00GB, 4.00GB available, 2138 GFLOPS peak) 1/2/2026 10:51:01 AM | | OpenCL: NVIDIA GPU 0: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (driver version 581.57, device version OpenCL 3.0 CUDA, 4.00GB, 4.00GB available, 2138 GFLOPS peak) 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | Windows processor group 0: 12 processors 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | Computer name: Kelly-PC 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | Processor: 12 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-8700 CPU @ 3.20GHz [Family 6 Model 158 Stepping 10] 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | Processor features: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss htt tm pni pclmulqdq ssse3 fma cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movebe popcnt aes f16c rdrandsyscall nx lm avx avx2 adx tm2 pbe fsgsbase bmi1 hle smep bmi2 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | OS: Microsoft Windows 11: Professional x64 Edition, (10.00.26100.00) What appears to have happened is that when I installed Docker, it made an unexpected change that made Rosetta think I am running Linux instead - possibly just a Linux emulation. 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | Usable WSL distros: 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | - boinc-buda-runner (WSL 2) (default) 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | - OS: Alpine Linux (Alpine Linux v3.22) 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | - Docker version 5.6.2 (podman) 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | - BOINC WSL distro version 4 1/2/2026 10:51:07 AM | | VirtualBox version: 7.1.10 The Rosetta Beta work I am trying to report ran under Windows 11, so I expected it to need to be reported under Windows 11. |
Grant (SSSF)Send message Joined: 28 Mar 20 Posts: 1922 Credit: 18,534,891 RAC: 0 |
I'm still running Windows 11! I've run enough operating systems over the years to know the difference!There is something very, very, very screwed up with that system then. Two of my systems got Docker installed on them when i upgraded to the latest version of BOINC at the time (before down grading again due to the Estimated Completion time becoming frozen & not updating). And they still report as Windows systems to projects. As long as the Hosts file is named just that- Hosts (with no extension), and it is in the "C:/Windows/System32/Drivers/etc/" folder, then Windows will read it. And if those entries 128.95.160.156 boinc-files.bakerlab.org 128.95.160.156 bwsrv1.bakerlab.org are in there as above, then things will work. However the fact that Rosetta considers you are running it under Linux, indicates to me something is very, very broken, and it could be the reason that change in the Windows hosts file is having no effect. You could try disabling IVPv6 on that system, but i don't know if disabling it for Windows will have any impact on what is going on with Rosetta thinking your system is running LINUX. Right click on your Network icon on the Taskbar, Network and internet settings. Network adaptors (select the current one), More adaptor options- Edit, scroll down to "Internet Protocol Version 6 (TCP/IPv6)" deselect it, save all the changes (Just re-select it to enable it again if it breaks the internet for you). No idea if a re-boot is required or not for the changes to take effect. Grant Darwin NT |
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