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Message 60133 - Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 14:10:27 UTC

By default Win7 goes to sleep after a period of (keyboard/mouse) inactivity. Waking the PC up resumes everything but Rosetta seems to 'hang' on the processing (ie no CPU time incremental). My only option was to reboot; then it started processing again correctly. Any one else seen this issue?

I'm running on a dual-processor 1gb RAM PC. (cant give exact specs)
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Message 60135 - Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 15:47:38 UTC
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Is this "sleep" state hybernation? Suspension? Sounds like Windows didn't put the application to sleep very well, or didn't awaken it again.

Which BOINC version are you using?

Looks like it must be v6.4.7. Have you tried any other BOINC projects? Have you tried any other BOINC versions?
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Message 60141 - Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 18:16:47 UTC - in response to Message 60135.  

Is this "sleep" state hybernation? Suspension? Sounds like Windows didn't put the application to sleep very well, or didn't awaken it again.

Which BOINC version are you using?

Looks like it must be v6.4.7. Have you tried any other BOINC projects? Have you tried any other BOINC versions?


It's definitely not Hibernation because when I wiggle the mouse it springs to life again very quickly.

I'm using 6.4.7 and had been using the previous minor version with the same issue.

I haven't tried any other projects because I switch back to XP every now and again and don't want to leave work units unprocessed/ missing deadlines.
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Message 60144 - Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 19:14:08 UTC

The Rice project on WCG has little ~6hr tasks. You can set up your account to only get work for that project.

I'm just wondering if this is a BOINC problem, or a Rosetta problem. If Rice has the same problem, then it tends to point to BOINC or Windows as the cause.
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Message 60146 - Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 20:04:29 UTC - in response to Message 60144.  

The Rice project on WCG has little ~6hr tasks. You can set up your account to only get work for that project.

I'm just wondering if this is a BOINC problem, or a Rosetta problem. If Rice has the same problem, then it tends to point to BOINC or Windows as the cause.


I'll try on Monday when I'm back at work; do you suggest I turn the 'sleep' mode back on to test this again?
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Message 60153 - Posted: 13 Mar 2009, 22:18:25 UTC - in response to Message 60146.  

The Rice project on WCG has little ~6hr tasks. You can set up your account to only get work for that project.

I'm just wondering if this is a BOINC problem, or a Rosetta problem. If Rice has the same problem, then it tends to point to BOINC or Windows as the cause.


I'll try on Monday when I'm back at work; do you suggest I turn the 'sleep' mode back on to test this again?


...With the understanding that it may fail again, yes. Sounds like it picked up on the last checkpoint and completed the task ok though. So, not much lost. Yes, I'd like to see if another project is effected in the same way, that it doesn't start again, when the machine sleeps.
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Message 60178 - Posted: 16 Mar 2009, 18:25:37 UTC
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Well it appears to be Rosetta that has the issue. Using the Rice project only I have set the PC back to sleeping after 30 mins. If I then wake it up by clicking my mouse and I check BOINC , the Rice project has resumed working as the CPU time racks up as I would expect it to.

Obviously there are a lot of assumptions here regarding Win7 , BOINC, the Rosetta project.
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Message 60180 - Posted: 16 Mar 2009, 18:47:15 UTC

OK, well, thanks for trying that.

So, when running just Rosetta, you are saying that when you begin using the machine again, there is no BOINC activity? And so your task list shows the system idle task getting most of the CPU? (assuming Win7 has such an indication)

Any messages in BOINC Manager at the time of the restart?
What does the BOINC Manager show for the Rosetta task's status?
Do you have BOINC configured to keep tasks in memory while preempted?

Shouldn't have to restart the whole machine. Just exit and restart BOINC (you have to do file->exit to shutdown BOINC, otherwise, clicking the red X just closes the window and leaves it running).
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Message 60181 - Posted: 16 Mar 2009, 18:48:48 UTC

Ken, I've moved the thread from Windows, to the Number Crunching board. More people read this board.

Does anyone else have BOINC installed on Windows 7?
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Message 60183 - Posted: 16 Mar 2009, 20:38:12 UTC - in response to Message 60180.  

OK, well, thanks for trying that.

So, when running just Rosetta, you are saying that when you begin using the machine again, there is no BOINC activity? And so your task list shows the system idle task getting most of the CPU? (assuming Win7 has such an indication)

Any messages in BOINC Manager at the time of the restart?
What does the BOINC Manager show for the Rosetta task's status?
Do you have BOINC configured to keep tasks in memory while preempted?

Shouldn't have to restart the whole machine. Just exit and restart BOINC (you have to do file->exit to shutdown BOINC, otherwise, clicking the red X just closes the window and leaves it running).


What I have observed is that the CPU time doesn't increment ie it's actually doing something but the time to complete increments.

Closing BOINC as instructed doesnt clear Rosetta processes held in memory (ie my preferences say leave processes in memory); that's why I reboot and it works again.
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Message 60184 - Posted: 16 Mar 2009, 20:47:21 UTC

I said to "EXIT" BOINC. This should remove all tasks from memory regardless of settings. After you exit BOINC, are there still Rosetta tasks under the processes tab?
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Message 60187 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 9:34:49 UTC - in response to Message 60184.  

I said to "EXIT" BOINC. This should remove all tasks from memory regardless of settings. After you exit BOINC, are there still Rosetta tasks under the processes tab?


Please dont get cross with me! :)

The old version of BOINC didnt remove programs from memory. v6.4.7 seems to have an option to allow removal from memory on EXIT.

I am running Rosetta again and will post progress in about 3hrs
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Message 60188 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 10:25:57 UTC - in response to Message 60133.  
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By default Win7 goes to sleep after a period of (keyboard/mouse) inactivity. Waking the PC up resumes everything but Rosetta seems to 'hang' on the processing (ie no CPU time incremental). My only option was to reboot; then it started processing again correctly. Any one else seen this issue?

I'm running on a dual-processor 1gb RAM PC. (cant give exact specs)


I am also running Windows7 and this sounds like a power setting. If you go into your power settings and change everything to never shutdown then it should be fine. I am not running Rosetta on my Windows7 machine, a whole other reason than yours, but ABC@home runs fine and is very fast!! Mine is an AMD quad core with 2 gig of ram. It is a brand new machine I built and this is the only OS on it.
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Message 60189 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 10:27:08 UTC - in response to Message 60181.  
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Ken, I've moved the thread from Windows, to the Number Crunching board. More people read this board.

Does anyone else have BOINC installed on Windows 7?


Yes and mine runs just fine and in fact is very fast doing it. I have been running Boinc for over a month on Windows7 with no problems. Here is the pc:
http://abcathome.com/show_host_detail.php?hostid=74741
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Message 60191 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 14:53:21 UTC

Well, the latest Rosetta work unit is behaving correctly. It re-awakens from sleep mode correctly.

Maybe it was an oddity on the particular unit I was working on.

If I get any more issues I will repost to this thread.

Thanks for the help.

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Message 60192 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 15:02:24 UTC

There could be many different factors that contribute to the problem. Just within Rosetta, it might depend on the type of task, where it was in computation when the machine went to sleep, which Rosetta release it is running, etc. Perhaps a pattern will emerge with further study.
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Message 60195 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 18:44:06 UTC

For what it's worth .....
This was the task that was running at the time:
1gvp__BOINC_ABRELAX_ENV_IGNORE_THE_REST-ENV-2000--1gvp_-vf__7366_71_0 using rosetta_beta version 598

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Message 60196 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 19:35:45 UTC

Sorry, was that at the time when it worked? Or the time when it didn't restart properly?
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Message 60198 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 21:11:15 UTC - in response to Message 60196.  
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Sorry, was that at the time when it worked? Or the time when it didn't restart properly?


I meant to say it was the one that didnt work correctly.
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Message 60202 - Posted: 17 Mar 2009, 22:44:17 UTC

It will be interesting to see if there is any consistency between the v5.98 tasks hanging up, and whether the mini 1.54 tasks restart properly.
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