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Message 59019 - Posted: 25 Jan 2009, 11:46:30 UTC - in response to Message 59014.  

Thank you very much Mikey for testing my distribution and your report.

If I understood your report right, you have used the BOINC client directly from the CDROM without installing directly to a USB or HDD ? - In the moment this is not really the good way, because your data would not be written to any media and saved for recovering from any power failures and you have got to save the data manualy. I recommend you to create a USB stick or install the OS to a hard disk to get persistant data of your BOINC data.
Eric Meyers had some very good ideas for a improvment which makes a "live cd" mode posible, which should handle this. I think this is very good idea and I will develop and impment this in the next releases. The idea is that the users can boot from CD, insert a USB stick or connect a network share, and the BOINC client data would be written permanent or periodcaly to the USB stick.

Edit: Your're both right Dotsch/UX is based on Ubuntu and from users sight it's usable like Ubuntu, and has the tools to setup a BOINC diskless/USB/hard disk system as easy as posible.


I did not see those options but honestly did not look into the menus. I have used Ubuntu before, only a VERY little, and do remember how to do a harddrive install. I thought it was going to use the harddrive all by itself, but how could it if it didn't make it a Linux drive? Sometimes I amaze myself at how dumb I can be!!! I will look forward to the next release and try that with a USB stick. Will a 1gb stick be enough?
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Message 59020 - Posted: 25 Jan 2009, 11:53:11 UTC - in response to Message 59016.  

P.S. As for the project list being empty, its sounds like Dotsch forgot to include an all_projects.xml file. That's the file that stores the names and URLs of the projects in the project list. BOINC client updates all_projects.xml about once a week so eventually you would get one.


The all_projects.xml would normaly automaticly downloaded from the BOINC servers. If it would not been downloaded, eventualy the network was not configured. Per default the installation uses DHCP till you configure it manualy.


The network was working, I did not touch it, because I was able to sign up for a project and it asked me for my username and password. I even had to go to the projects home page to get the url to put on the line. I use DHCP at here at home as the default. I was connected but it just didn't send me any work because I needed more space to run the project. If I had installed it onto a harddrive or even a USB stick I believe it would have been fine. Maybe if I gave it some more time it would have downloaded the project list. I gave the whole thing less than an hour TOTAL. It worked as you said it would, there were just some human errors, mine, that caused some problems.
In the end I was impressed with the ease of use and how everything looked and worked and have added it to my folder of cd's to keep!
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Message 59021 - Posted: 25 Jan 2009, 12:07:55 UTC - in response to Message 59019.  

I thought it was going to use the harddrive all by itself, but how could it if it didn't make it a Linux drive?

No. The CD boot is in the moment thought for booting the OS and do the installation on the desired media.


I will look forward to the next release and try that with a USB stick. Will a 1gb stick be enough?

I think, you did not need to wait, because the hard disk and USB stick installation is already implemented. With the actual release, it is posible to boot Dotsch/UX from the CD, and make a hard disk or an USB stick installation and boot from them.
The USB installation is described on part 2.1 ([url]http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/DotschUX-USB_Installation.html[url]), and the hard disk install at part 2.2 (http://www.dotsch.de/boinc/DotschUX-HDD_Installation.html) of the manual.

I am not shure, if a 1 GB USB stick is enought for Rosetta, because Rosetta has a lot of HDD space requirements. On the Rosetta system requirments are 400 MB available diskspace listed. - The USB stick OS has about 500 MB, plus 128 MB for storing OS data and changes and the rest will be used for the BOINC home directory for storing the BOINC Client and projects data. - With a 1 GB stick, are this about 400 MB. - You can try, if rosetta would work with a 1 GB stick, eventualy you can change the disk preferences, that BOINC uses the whole space. If this would not work, you have to use a 2 GB stick.
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Message 59022 - Posted: 25 Jan 2009, 12:10:55 UTC - in response to Message 59019.  
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Sorry, duplicate posting.
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Message 59025 - Posted: 25 Jan 2009, 17:57:04 UTC

Just keep in mind that the requirements listing is a "MINIMUM". And, as such, it basically defines the requirement for running a single task. If you've got a multi-core CPU, you should expect to use more disk space.

Also, keep in mind that if you are running solely from a stick, that this becomes your memory swap space too. Or rather that you have no swap space. So, the machine itself should have enough memory to handle the maximum usage of one task per CPU as well. Again, the requirements page lists the minimum, which was recently bumped up to 512MB. However, some tasks require more memory then others and the long-term trend seems to be using more memory over time, so more is better. And you will be able to support all Rosetta tasks. Some types of tasks are only sent to machines with more then the minimum memory. So, ideally, you'd have a rig that could support all task types.

All of this has little to do with the original post. If you'd like to continue the conversation, I could attempt to seperate the two topics here in to two threads.
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Message 59513 - Posted: 11 Feb 2009, 2:34:47 UTC

As for the original post, I ran down all the jobs, ran some
chkdsk and memtest86, all with no errors or corrections being
made by those tools, and I even left the machine itself untouched,
so that those diags would indicate problems with the HW in it's
original state/config, but no joy - i.e. they ran clean.

So then I loaded up some rah, and let those run, and then ran
them down with NNW, and then ran some sah by itself, all of those
with no apparent problem. So just now, I have some rah running and
i've turned back on sah so that they will coexist and we'll see what's
what with the machine trying to share once again.

BTW, if I remember correctly, the very first rah job (running rah
only) had a stderr.out that still contained some interposed lines
from a sah job, but this did not seem to bother rah. But near as I
could tell, during the exclusive sessions (rah or sah only) none of
that nonsense appeared.

So now we'll see after they begin sharing again. What fun!

Dave
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