Team Points STOLEN!!!!! Over 6 Million Points!

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Scribe Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 284 Credit: 157,359 RAC: 0	Message 54222 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 7:22:38 UTC Last modified: 7 Jul 2008, 7:23:26 UTC The Team Teddies has disappeared. The team name no longer exists, but the team ID had been allocated to another team. Space Family @ Rosetta@Home was given our Team ID number in February this year.........and it looks like that Team was given all our points as well.....surely illegal? You add up their individual stats and comes to 236,430 not Total credit 6,497,659....... Teddies were crunching over 30,000 points per day ID: 54222 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Nite Owl Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 3,019,449 RAC: 0	Message 54225 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 9:18:14 UTC If it isn't illegal it ought to be... Join the Teddies@WCG ID: 54225 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Nite Owl Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 3,019,449 RAC: 0	Message 54230 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 10:53:12 UTC Last modified: 7 Jul 2008, 10:54:54 UTC Funny I hadn't noticed Rosetta and my 3,006,141 points missing from my sig before... Join the Teddies@WCG ID: 54230 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mod.Sense Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 22 Aug 06 Posts: 4018 Credit: 0 RAC: 0	Message 54237 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 14:14:41 UTC The BOINC server code wouldn't reuse a team number.... would it? What is the Rosetta team ID number in question here? Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense ID: 54237 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Morphy375 Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 86 Credit: 1,629,758 RAC: 0	Message 54239 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 14:19:13 UTC - in response to Message 54237. The BOINC server code wouldn't reuse a team number.... would it? What is the Rosetta team ID number in question here? Team number was 559 according to my old link at boincstats... Teddies.... ID: 54239 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Nite Owl Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 3,019,449 RAC: 0	Message 54240 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 14:52:11 UTC - in response to Message 54237. Last modified: 7 Jul 2008, 14:52:42 UTC The BOINC server code wouldn't reuse a team number.... would it? What is the Rosetta team ID number in question here? My question is why was it available for use in the first place to be reassigned? The last time I looked there was still members contributing... Join the Teddies@WCG ID: 54240 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Pepo Send message Joined: 28 Sep 05 Posts: 115 Credit: 101,358 RAC: 0	Message 54244 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 15:47:32 UTC - in response to Message 54240. The BOINC server code wouldn't reuse a team number.... would it? My question is why was it available for use in the first place to be reassigned? AFAIK the team(ID)s are not meant to be reused. I'm rather suspecting some SW bug. Peter ID: 54244 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mod.Sense Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 22 Aug 06 Posts: 4018 Credit: 0 RAC: 0	Message 54260 - Posted: 7 Jul 2008, 23:38:24 UTC - in response to Message 54240. The BOINC server code wouldn't reuse a team number.... would it? What is the Rosetta team ID number in question here? My question is why was it available for use in the first place to be reassigned? The last time I looked there was still members contributing... I understood the question and agree team IDs shouldn't be reused. And I agree with Pepo that this sounds like the result of a SW bug of some kind. I was just hoping that we could gather all the information about whether team members still exist, what exactly the team ID is/was, and etc. to help track down such a bug. Rosetta Moderator: Mod.Sense ID: 54260 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Nite Owl Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 3,019,449 RAC: 0	Message 54266 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 0:33:20 UTC - in response to Message 54260. The BOINC server code wouldn't reuse a team number.... would it? What is the Rosetta team ID number in question here? My question is why was it available for use in the first place to be reassigned? The last time I looked there was still members contributing... I understood the question and agree team IDs shouldn't be reused. And I agree with Pepo that this sounds like the result of a SW bug of some kind. I was just hoping that we could gather all the information about whether team members still exist, what exactly the team ID is/was, and etc. to help track down such a bug. I can assure you all team members are alive and well... They may not be crunching for Rosetta at the moment, but regardless, It's still the Teddies team, and accumulated points, not Space Families @ Roesetta@Home's... Join the Teddies@WCG ID: 54266 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Scribe Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 284 Credit: 157,359 RAC: 0	Message 54270 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 5:30:47 UTC We have said what the team number 'was'....but cannot give you an 'is' as that is the problem.....is there any update on progress please? ID: 54270 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

carl.h Send message Joined: 28 Dec 05 Posts: 555 Credit: 183,449 RAC: 0	Message 54271 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 6:42:10 UTC - in response to Message 54260. about whether team members still exist I think therefore I am, at least I think I am.....;-) If we didn`t exist there`s a whole lot of people out there who argued with ephereal beings. Course it could be a Ghost in the machine ! ;-) Not all Czech`s bounce but I`d like to try with Barbar ;-) Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM. ID: 54271 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Whl. Send message Joined: 29 Dec 05 Posts: 203 Credit: 275,802 RAC: 0	Message 54272 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 6:56:43 UTC Do I exist Carl mate ? I'm not really sure ? Maybe I'll know better after I've taken my pills ? ID: 54272 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

David E K Volunteer moderator Project administrator Project developer Project scientist Send message Joined: 1 Jul 05 Posts: 1018 Credit: 4,334,829 RAC: 0	Message 54273 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 7:16:18 UTC I don't know what could have caused this. I think the team founder has the ability to change the team name and remove members. Does anyone know who the Teddies founder was before the switch? ID: 54273 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Scribe Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 284 Credit: 157,359 RAC: 0	Message 54275 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 7:27:20 UTC Me or Carl H and neither of us did that.....what is making 'us' a little paranoid is that some of our team members had quite a big bust-up with some on the boards here and stopped crunching here ....but did not leave the team...the team is spread across a number of projects.....our suspision is that the team was deliberately 'removed' as a punishment......if not, there is a serious 'flaw' in your data/database and god know what else is affected....can we 'trust' any of your data if that is the case? ID: 54275 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Whl. Send message Joined: 29 Dec 05 Posts: 203 Credit: 275,802 RAC: 0	Message 54278 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 7:38:09 UTC The team founder was definitely none of the "Space Family" people, who now have our team ID number. We dont know who any of them are ? I still have links in favourites in my browser that used to lead to the "Teddies" team here at Rosetta. They now lead to "Space family" ? I have an old BOINC stats chart here too that shows "Teddies" in the title and has our team ID in the file name. ID: 54278 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Morphy375 Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 86 Credit: 1,629,758 RAC: 0	Message 54279 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 10:01:13 UTC - in response to Message 54273. I don't know what could have caused this. I think the team founder has the ability to change the team name and remove members. Does anyone know who the Teddies founder was before the switch? Why should we all have moved out at the same moment on feb 15th 2008? Have a look here http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/team-movements.php?project=rah&team=559 and then look at your database.... Teddies.... ID: 54279 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Pepo Send message Joined: 28 Sep 05 Posts: 115 Credit: 101,358 RAC: 0	Message 54280 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 10:22:41 UTC - in response to Message 54279. Last modified: 8 Jul 2008, 11:11:39 UTC Why should we all have moved out at the same moment on feb 15th 2008? Have a look here http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/team-movements.php?project=rah&team=559 and then look at your database.... Good catch! If Boinc Synergy (and/or other stats sites, who store user/team movements) could make a bunch DB queries to see, where from/to did the former Space Family members go on that day, who left the other ID' team on that day, etc... I suspect it is a chain of shifted team IDs. Even better if the stats sites could grab older user stats exports from Rosetta around that date (and later) from their backups. [edit]Loking at the later join dates: just the founder (Barbar) entered the (newer?) Space Family team on on feb 16th 2008, the others joined later. Was the team indeed created at the time, not "'shifted'? Looking at combined BOINC statistics for "Space Family": Best five days <pre> Date Credit 2008-02-18 12,780,979 2008-02-19 7,155,592 2008-02-17 2,741,016 2008-03-03 1,916,622 2007-11-27 434,284</pre> Sounds fishy...[/edit] Peter ID: 54280 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Nite Owl Send message Joined: 2 Nov 05 Posts: 87 Credit: 3,019,449 RAC: 0	Message 54282 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 11:58:12 UTC "Sounds fishy" is exactly right... I think somebody seized the opportunity to grab a team with points while nobody was home... Inside job? Join the Teddies@WCG ID: 54282 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

AMD_is_logical Send message Joined: 20 Dec 05 Posts: 299 Credit: 31,460,681 RAC: 0	Message 54283 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 13:18:53 UTC - in response to Message 54279. Why should we all have moved out at the same moment on feb 15th 2008? Have a look here http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/team-movements.php?project=rah&team=559 and then look at your database.... Have a look at their Einstein team: http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/team-movements.php?project=eah&team=320 That team also had a mass exodus to team "none" on the same day, with this "Barbar" joining at the same time, just like with their Rosetta team. Other people began joining starting Feb 17 2008. Their Seti team looks a little more complicated, but once again, original crunchers gone, Barbar joins, then others join starting Feb 18 2008. http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/team-movements.php?project=sah&team=19786 Hmmm... ID: 54283 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Pepo Send message Joined: 28 Sep 05 Posts: 115 Credit: 101,358 RAC: 0	Message 54284 - Posted: 8 Jul 2008, 13:34:40 UTC - in response to Message 54280. Why should we all have moved out at the same moment on feb 15th 2008? http://www.boincsynergy.com/stats/team-movements.php?project=rah&team=559 ...where from/to did the former Space Family members go on that day, who left the other ID' team on that day, etc... I suspect it is a chain of shifted team IDs. [...] Loking at the later join dates: just the founder (Barbar) entered the (newer?) Space Family Rosetta team on on feb 16th 2008, the others joined later. Was the team indeed created at the time, not "'shifted'? I've started to read through Space Family's team forum, which was created around 15.-16.2.2008 for a "joint venture" of former (but still existing) Czech Boinc Team members and a bunch of others, since around 17.-18.2.2008. (The SF team existed at least since 2005 on Seti, Einstein and many other projects.) What I DO NOT understand is, how could it be possible, that the credits flowed with their members from CBT to FS, which they apparently did, see their graph: But the credits did sure not flow from CBT's Rosetta. Teddies' Rosetta team ID WAS reused for SF on 15.-16.2.2008. AFAIK, since already at least 1-2 years ago (with exception of CPDN, whether still?), the credits are awarded to their owner and eventually to his team, but when someone moves to other team, the former team should keep the credits. Peter ID: 54284 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote