For those of you who like to keep the same version on all your boxes across the different platforms, I noticed today that 5.8.11 is now available for all three major platforms.

5.8.8 seems to have been withdrawn (and no, I don't need to be told why...)

NB - these numbers refer to versions of the BOINC client, downloadable from the BOINC download page, not to the version numbers of Rosetta. Rosetta will automatically upgrade its versions from time to time; the BOINC client does not.

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5.8.15 or 16 should be replacing 5.8.11 very soon according to Rom Walton.

In this version do we see any change in performance compared with 5.4?

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In this version do we see any change in performance compared with 5.4?

There have been many items in the many "changelogs" since 5.4.x. The biggest is the implementation of the BSG (boinc simple gui). You can use either the "simple view" or the "advanced view" (the one we currently use). The BSG was designed to be much simpler, but offers less info/options which might confuse newer users.

Your question was about "performance". Boinc doesn't do the application computations, so it really doesn't increase performance in any substantial way. The easiest way to see is to try it. If you don't like it, you can uninstall and reinstall the previous version. If you haven't saved the previous installer, I can provide a link to it. Changing boinc versions shouldn't result in the loss of any work. As long as you exit boinc first "file", "exit" (not the red X as that only closes the manager.

When moving forward in version numbers you can simply install right over the old, but when going backwards you need to uninstall first.

NOTE: Previously installed third party Boinc Core Clients are not covered by my statements.

tony

I have moved from 5.4.11 to 5.8.11 and as has been said the main obvious difference is cosmetic - the existence of the new "simple" GUI.

Sadly this does not work in a standard Debian Sarge installation, there is a missing library:

./boincmgr: error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

This is no problem to me, I never use boinc manager but prefer BoincView instead, viewing all my boxes from one Windows machine. I only noticed the above problem when I tried to look at the new, simple GUI. Consequently I can't tell you if the bug was introduced at 5.8.x or before. As far as I can remember the last time I ran the manager under Linux was in version 4.summat.

No doubt it is just a case of installing the appropriate library - and it may all come right anyway when the stable release of Debian moves from Sarge to Etch.

The new GUI works fine in windows.

R~~

I have moved from 5.4.11 to 5.8.11 and as has been said the main obvious difference is cosmetic - the existence of the new "simple" GUI.

There have been MANY, MANY improvements to the code which aren't apparent to the eye.

Sadly this does not work in a standard Debian Sarge installation, there is a missing library:

./boincmgr: error while loading shared libraries: libXinerama.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory

Interesting, I've been trying to install 5.6.4 to present on my 64b Mandriva Free 2007 for over a month (3 machines actually), and they've always come up with a "shared library" error. Mine was lib64Xxf86vm.so.1, Hmmm, maybe I'll try 5.4.11 if you're saying that worked for you.

Wow, I've been beating my head against the wall on three machines trying to install EVERY version from 5.6.4 to present (including alphas) without success. I've downloaded, installed, uninstalled, copied the needed missing shared libs, installed libs, and on and on for the last 3 weekends, all without success.

NOW, 5.4.11 installed right off the bat. I'll be installing it on the others to see. Then I'll be off the Boincdev mail list to report this.

{edit} I'll be, 5.4.11 installed right away on all. I've used all the latest on i586 mandriva 2007 and several liveCDs, so I assumed it was a problem with mandriva x86-64.

Hmm, Off to boinc dev/alpha

River~~, this has been reported, and I provided a link to your comment.

Wow, I've been beating my head against the wall on three machines trying to install EVERY version from 5.6.4 to present (including alphas) without success.
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NOW, 5.4.11 installed right off the bat.

[rant]

Looks like the new "simpler" GUI is simpler in terms of being used by simpler people, but is much more complicated in terms of the internals of the software. Hence the "need" to call new gfx libs.

*Please* can we have a simple (as in simple undemanding software) manager, instead of, or as an alternative to, the bloatware. Even better, how about the software testing for what gfx libs are around, and only offering the human-simple software-complex gui if there is lib support for it?

And in the mean time, if the client can only be run from the command line on standard Linux distros, can we have a command line only release like the Mac people do.

OK OK, so the new manager does look nice, and I can see it being a help to people starting off in BOINC on windows, where the OS is geared up for bloatware anyway. But these kind of library errors will put off people from migrating over to Linux, and that is not a good thing.

Linux newbies are not going to know how to add the needed libs to their system, and Unix hackers like myself are not going to want to add unnecessary complexity.

As far as I am concerned, the standard Linux distros are Debian, Suse, Fedora certainly, and arguably others like Mandrake (is this the same as Madriva?), Ubuntu, and so on. If it does not work on each of those, with the stable version of the distro, and with KDE and with Gnome, then the software is using facilities that should be regarded as optional extensions, not part of the standard Linux offering.

[/rant]

And by the way, the above is *not* directed at our excellent Rosetta devs who I realise perfectly well have nothing to do with decisions about the BOINCmanager.

R~~

Eric K's (seti) reply to my post to Boinc Alpha:

Eric J Korpela to me, boinc_alpha
show details 12:17 pm (40 minutes ago)

Given the change over in some distributions from Xfree86 to X.org we
might need to make separate versions or ensure that the X libraries
are statically linked on linux.

Eric


PS mandrake, mandriva related? yes

Eric K's (seti) reply to my post to Boinc Alpha:

Eric J Korpela to me, boinc_alpha
show details 12:17 pm (40 minutes ago)

Given the change over in some distributions from Xfree86 to X.org we
might need to make separate versions or ensure that the X libraries
are statically linked on linux.

Eric


PS mandrake, mandriva related? yes

Thanks for forwarding that.

But in my case it is not connected with the change in the X reference standards.

I am running the same distro, and the same release of the same distro, that I have been since I first put BOINC 4.summat on Linux, ie Debian Sarge, which is still the official stable Debian release. Sarge is near the end of its life cycle, Debian have been saying for months that we will move up to Etch 'soon'; but for now Sarge is still the official distro.

Feel free to forward my comments back, or feel equally free to stop being the middleperson here.

I've said my bit and won't be saying any more about this.

R~~

In 5.8.11 and 5.8.15
Don't downlaod NEW work's after compliting.
only after compliting all work's in Cache!

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I have 10 work IN (https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/results.php?hostid=350614)
fron
63753598 56821110 21 Feb 2007 6:04:38 UTC 3 Mar 2007 6:04:38 UTC In Progress
to
63753557 56838253 21 Feb 2007 6:04:38 UTC 3 Mar 2007 6:04:38 UTC In Progress

but I don't have them in the Cache
??

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In 5.8.11 and 5.8.15
Don't downlaod NEW work's after compliting.
only after compliting all work's in Cache!

Hmm, cache-size > 4 days?

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"I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."

cache-size = 10 days

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cache-size = 10 days

Too high for a 10-day deadline, see [url=http://boinc-wiki.ath.cx/index.php?title=Work_Buffer#Recommendation_for_Single_Project_Systems]this table...{/url]

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"I make so many mistakes. But then just think of all the mistakes I don't make, although I might."

cache-size = 10 days

Too high for a 10-day deadline, see this table...{/url]

[url=http://boinc.berkeley.edu/dev/forum_thread.php?id=1540]This thread and this thread for some discussion on the issue. JM7 (the scheduler guru) chimed in on them too.

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Kathryn :o)
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