I just came across this web page, stating that the 7th biannual protein structure predicition contest will begin in April - in just a few weeks. In some of the previous CASP rounds Rosetta seems to have come out quite a bit ahead of the pack (this is what searching for 'casp' on the Rosetta@home website brings up) and with all the Rosetta@home computing resources and recent code improvements it may do even better this time around - that is assuming that the Rosetta team intends to employ Rosetta@home's formidable resources in this year's contest. Since DC seems to be all about competition for many of us, this may be another reason to shift some more of those BOINC computing resources towards Rosetta. ;-)

The worst part is waiting for the results to be published, and see how the project you've contributed to did in comparison to all the others. Casp 6 ended in Sept? and the results weren't published until mid Dec. Torture waiting so long. *grin*

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I just came across this web page, stating that the 7th biannual protein structure predicition contest will begin in April - in just a few weeks. In some of the previous CASP rounds Rosetta seems to have come out quite a bit ahead of the pack (this is what searching for 'casp' on the Rosetta@home website brings up) and with all the Rosetta@home computing resources and recent code improvements it may do even better this time around - that is assuming that the Rosetta team intends to employ Rosetta@home's formidable resources in this year's contest. Since DC seems to be all about competition for many of us, this may be another reason to shift some more of those BOINC computing resources towards Rosetta. ;-)

Yes--CASP7 is starting soon, and yes, rosetta@home will be focused on casp once it starts. our current tests are aimed at improving the protocol we will use in casp. (we also want to resolve all the current problems/errors before casp starts). I'll keep you posted as the time gets closer.

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I wanted to share with you this figure which I came across on the Predictor@home website (section scientific update/current progress). It shows how Rosetta and Predictor were doing in the most recent (2004) protein structure prediction contest CASP6, both with respect to each other and in comparison to the mean of all competitors. This is how the figure has to be read (I think): the blue bars represent the mean score for each target protein (higher is better). The upper end of the green lines is the best result obtained for each protein, the lower end of the green line, marked in red is the Predictor result and the orange triangle corresponds to the Rosetta result. One can see that Rosetta outperforms Predictor by a wide margin. Rosetta across the board did significantly better than average and in some cases produced the best result (note that this is vintage 2004 Rosetta, not the one including the new Rosetta@home improvements that will be used for CASP7).

I think the Predictor@home team has to be given credit for openly conceding on their web page that their current algorithm does much worse than Rosetta. They even included a link to the Baker Lab Science paper from last fall. They also state on their web page that they intend to replace their current algorithm with a new one (based on PROSPECTOR/TASSER), specifically mentioning their poor results with respect to Rosetta to justify this move.

Is everything on target for the CASP7 start (8th April I think)?

Also, should we be trying to get any temporary increases in production around then? I think there's probably quite a lot of people that will switch from other projects for the duration of this - should we be asking for extra help from the 8th?

cheers
Danny

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David Baker gave us a brief update on the preparations for CASP7 in his latest post on the "David Baker's Rosetta@home journal" thread. Check it out.

Sean

Is everything on target for the CASP7 start (8th April I think)?

Also, should we be trying to get any temporary increases in production around then? I think there's probably quite a lot of people that will switch from other projects for the duration of this - should we be asking for extra help from the 8th?

cheers
Danny

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Is everything on target for the CASP7 start (8th April I think)?

Also, should we be trying to get any temporary increases in production around then? I think there's probably quite a lot of people that will switch from other projects for the duration of this - should we be asking for extra help from the 8th?
cheers
Danny

CASP7 lasts from May to August - four full months. Probably too long to ask for complete switching for that time to Rosetta. Nevertheless any help even for a few weeks with more power would be good. In fact I think one might motivate quite a lot of peoples to switch over for some time to be part of the competition (and probably on the winning team). I hope David will give us a detailed list of which proteins are to be predicted and untill which deadline and how many models he wants for each protein. With this information we could make a nice short-term-Roadmap and put a progress chart somewhere. People like progress charts. ;-)

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People like progress charts. ;-)

I agree! I love the progress chart on Einstein@home for example. A progress chart is a great idea! :)

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Regards,
Bob P.

Is everything on target for the CASP7 start (8th April I think)?

Also, should we be trying to get any temporary increases in production around then? I think there's probably quite a lot of people that will switch from other projects for the duration of this - should we be asking for extra help from the 8th?
cheers
Danny

CASP7 lasts from May to August - four full months. Probably too long to ask for complete switching for that time to Rosetta. Nevertheless any help even for a few weeks with more power would be good. In fact I think one might motivate quite a lot of peoples to switch over for some time to be part of the competition (and probably on the winning team). I hope David will give us a detailed list of which proteins are to be predicted and untill which deadline and how many models he wants for each protein. With this information we could make a nice short-term-Roadmap and put a progress chart somewhere. People like progress charts. ;-)

Would be great if some Roadmap and charts are available!!!

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We will definitely have a thread posting CASP7 target charts as we get them. On May 8th we will get the first target!

People like progress charts. ;-)

Would be great if some Roadmap and charts are available!!!

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We will definitely have a thread posting CASP7 target charts as we get them. On May 8th we will get the first target!

People like progress charts. ;-)

Would be great if some Roadmap and charts are available!!!

Will you know on May 8th how many targets you are going to tackle with Rosetta@Home? Will you be able to tell a rough estimate how much models/target you would like to get? Could you from time to time update the information how many models/target you already got?

With this info one could set up a general CASP7-Chart which a single percentage done number. Such a reduction is great in getting people throwing in ressources to bring the "percentage done" number up.

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In the previous CASPs, the targets were released throughout the period of the competition, with due dates usually several weeks after the release date.

We will post the sequences and related information of the CASP7 targets as we receive them, and give you estimation of the number of decoys we request and the number of decoys returned.

By the way I just posted casp6 target list in another thread. The "Entry date" is the target release date, and the "Expiry-date" is the target due date.

We will definitely have a thread posting CASP7 target charts as we get them. On May 8th we will get the first target!

People like progress charts. ;-)

Would be great if some Roadmap and charts are available!!!

Will you know on May 8th how many targets you are going to tackle with Rosetta@Home? Will you be able to tell a rough estimate how much models/target you would like to get? Could you from time to time update the information how many models/target you already got?

With this info one could set up a general CASP7-Chart which a single percentage done number. Such a reduction is great in getting people throwing in ressources to bring the "percentage done" number up.

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Keep up to date with CASP7 on their NEWS page.

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could they not pick any hotter months of the year for this? how many of us shut down during the summer, or at least know people that do? just plain stupid.

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could they not pick any hotter months of the year for this? how many of us shut down during the summer, or at least know people that do? just plain stupid.

rosetta did not pick the dates for this. It is done by international agreement. Probably since most of the research is done at universities, they pick the summer because the research teams are not busy teaching at that time.

rosetta did not pick the dates for this. It is done by international agreement. Probably since most of the research is done at universities, they pick the summer because the research teams are not busy teaching at that time.

i realize that. your guess may have validity, but my guess is that climate was never even considered during the planning process.

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rosetta did not pick the dates for this. It is done by international agreement. Probably since most of the research is done at universities, they pick the summer because the research teams are not busy teaching at that time.

i realize that. your guess may have validity, but my guess is that climate was never even considered during the planning process.

Well don't forget we are looking at this from a rather northern hemishpere centric point of view. CASP7 will run all WINTER in the Southern hemisphere.

Keep up to date with CASP7 on their NEWS page.

I was also able to sign up for their e-mail newsletter, with my affiliation I listed as being an "Interested Observer" and my source for learning about CASP as "Rosetta@home." :)

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Regards,
Bob P.

It looks like the first target has been set see: http://predictioncenter.genomecenter.ucdavis.edu/casp7/targets/cgi/casp7-view.cgi

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It looks like the first target has been set see: http://predictioncenter.genomecenter.ucdavis.edu/casp7/targets/cgi/casp7-view.cgi

When can we expect to see this crunching on our machines? :)

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Regards,
Bob P.