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Message 109638 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 21:55:15 UTC - in response to Message 109612.  

Stuprd boinc thinks <max_concurrent>0</max_concurrent> is unlimited.

How would you do it?
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Message 109639 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 21:56:01 UTC - in response to Message 109638.  

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Message 109640 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 22:00:20 UTC - in response to Message 109639.  

If you want to complain about how Boinc works, then you owe it to everyone to suggest an alternative.
So once again, how would you do it?
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Message 109641 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 22:02:29 UTC

<max_concurrent>-1</max_concurrent> should have been unlimited.
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Message 109642 - Posted: 20 Aug 2024, 22:12:35 UTC - in response to Message 109641.  

<max_concurrent>-1</max_concurrent> should have been unlimited.

Alternatively, don't even include the section at all, if you don't wish to limit the number of concurrent tasks.
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Message 109654 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 4:07:20 UTC

boinc-process is still dead (days), along with Ralph (week and a half and counting).

There was another very brief release of Rosetta 4.20 Tasks a few hours ago, so a bit more to go on the Validation backlog.
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Message 109657 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 14:21:19 UTC - in response to Message 109654.  

Ralph is alive but a bit unwell.
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Message 109659 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 16:27:01 UTC - in response to Message 109657.  

Ralph is alive but a bit unwell.


Yep
23/08/2024 18:16:13 | ralph@home | Scheduler request to https://ralph.bakerlab.org/ralph_cgi/cgi failed: HTTP file not found

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Message 109660 - Posted: 23 Aug 2024, 18:38:59 UTC - in response to Message 109657.  
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Ralph is alive but a bit unwell.
And clicking on Number Crunching there gives this-

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: trim(): Passing null to parameter #1 ($string) of type string is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/util_basic.inc on line 107

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

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Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164

Deprecated: Creation of dynamic property BoincUser::$prefs is deprecated in /projects/boinc/ralph/html/inc/forum_db.inc on line 164
Followed by the thread list.

So it looks like it's back to where it was, just before it died completely.
I wouldn't say it was so much alive, as it's no longer completely dead. Just mostly dead.
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Message 109662 - Posted: 24 Aug 2024, 2:07:20 UTC

Ralph appears to be fully functional now, so with a bit of luck we might get some new work there to test Rosetta 4.29 (and maybe even the Beta 6.06 application as well that crashed and burned everything that was sent out for it on it's fist try here).
While we're doing that, they can sort out the dead boinc-process server here.
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Message 109663 - Posted: 24 Aug 2024, 4:23:57 UTC - in response to Message 109662.  

"that crashed and burned"

I recall them to have been more of a flash in the pan.
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Message 109664 - Posted: 24 Aug 2024, 4:32:24 UTC - in response to Message 109662.  

Ralph appears to be fully functional now, so with a bit of luck we might get some new work there to test Rosetta 4.29 (and maybe even the Beta 6.06 application as well that crashed and burned everything that was sent out for it on it's fist try here).
While we're doing that, they can sort out the dead boinc-process server here.
Looks like i posted too soon- Ralph is MIA again.
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Message 109665 - Posted: 24 Aug 2024, 16:53:28 UTC - in response to Message 109664.  

Looks like i posted too soon- Ralph is MIA again.


But server daemons on Rosetta has restarted...
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Message 109667 - Posted: 24 Aug 2024, 21:10:36 UTC - in response to Message 109665.  

Looks like i posted too soon- Ralph is MIA again.
But server daemons on Rosetta has restarted...
3 days is better than 3 weeks.
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Message 109668 - Posted: 24 Aug 2024, 22:26:25 UTC - in response to Message 109667.  

Looks like i posted too soon- Ralph is MIA again.
But server daemons on Rosetta has restarted...
3 days is better than 3 weeks.

BOTH are better than I saw on Predictor@Home a few years ago,.

The two people who knew how to create workunits properly left that project about the same time.

That left a few people who couldn't do much more than set up more tries on workunits that have failed on all previous tries.

Some workunits reached 50 tries this way before the professor in charge of the project decided to shut the project down until they could start something more useful, but that didn't happen.
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Message 109669 - Posted: 25 Aug 2024, 5:39:57 UTC

And Ralph is now back again, again.
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Message 109670 - Posted: 25 Aug 2024, 6:44:25 UTC - in response to Message 109637.  

This won't block Boinc from downloading beta work, and it has no effect all all on the number of cores each task will use.. It will only limit it from running more than X Rosetta tasks simultaneously.
If there were any way to tell Boinc not to download beta tasks, it would be in the cc_config.xml file. I see nothing in the user guide to suggest that is even possible. Therefore, since Rosetta itself does not distinguish between the "old' and beta tasks, it seems there is no way to block a client Boinc from downloading Rosetta beta tasks.


Are you sure? I used the xml file years ago and i remember it "reset" the project folder and started to download only the selected app.
But, probably, I remember wrong.

And, anyway, this is only attempts, until they decide to insert the possibility to choose in the user's profile...
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Message 109673 - Posted: 26 Aug 2024, 14:50:50 UTC - in response to Message 109665.  

Looks like i posted too soon- Ralph is MIA again.

But server daemons on Rosetta has restarted...

Having been away a couple of days before reading this, it reminded me to look at something that I suspected was missing.
It used to be that tasks that crashed out after running for a reasonable time were given partial credits as a result of a cleanup job that ran once daily.
A small but regular number of tasks have crashed among recent batches, so I've just checked and none of them are being given that partial credit any more.
Not a good thing.
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Message 109676 - Posted: 27 Aug 2024, 1:17:32 UTC - in response to Message 109670.  

This won't block Boinc from downloading beta work, and it has no effect all all on the number of cores each task will use.. It will only limit it from running more than X Rosetta tasks simultaneously.
If there were any way to tell Boinc not to download beta tasks, it would be in the cc_config.xml file. I see nothing in the user guide to suggest that is even possible. Therefore, since Rosetta itself does not distinguish between the "old' and beta tasks, it seems there is no way to block a client Boinc from downloading Rosetta beta tasks.

Are you sure? I used the xml file years ago and i remember it "reset" the project folder and started to download only the selected app.
But, probably, I remember wrong.

And, anyway, this is only attempts, until they decide to insert the possibility to choose in the user's profile...

I am certain of this. There is no way in any file you can create or modify on your system that will determine whether or not you will be sent tasks for any particular app. That can only be done on the project website, and Rosetta does not give you any choice.
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Message 109677 - Posted: 27 Aug 2024, 7:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 109676.  


I am certain of this. There is no way in any file you can create or modify on your system that will determine whether or not you will be sent tasks for any particular app. That can only be done on the project website, and Rosetta does not give you any choice.


Agree, the best you can do is cut it down to running one at a time.
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