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Message 111811 - Posted: 23 Dec 2024, 23:45:03 UTC - in response to Message 111801.  

To the right, “Computing Status” > Tasks Ready to Send = 0


I have been seeing that a lot too. Anyone got any ideas about why that is so frequent? Too many volunteers competing for a limited production?
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Message 111812 - Posted: 23 Dec 2024, 23:57:20 UTC - in response to Message 111811.  

To the right, “Computing Status” > Tasks Ready to Send = 0


I have been seeing that a lot too. Anyone got any ideas about why that is so frequent? Too many volunteers competing for a limited production?


A lot of the work has moved to a supercomputer platform using a new algorithm.

Where jobs are suited to the distributed applications, a researcher will set up a run which could be up to a couple of million work units and we’ll work through those but usually finish them before the next researcher comes along.
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Message 111813 - Posted: 24 Dec 2024, 19:57:33 UTC - in response to Message 110306.  

Many of you have unfortunately been affected by a recent attempt to purge spam (on Friday the 13th of all days) as we were asked by the UW IT to clean up our forums and remove spam accounts. I restored user accounts that have been deleted (and had credits) today. For those of you who have created new accounts with the same email, I changed the email to your new account so that the backed up previous account could be restored. Please let me know if there are remaining issues.

This does seem to have been fixed - thanks.

If you're still reading there are two other current issues:

1) boinc-files.bakerlab.org 128.95.160.135 and boinc-files.bakerlab.org 128.95.160.134 both have expired SSL certificates

2) the boinc-process server which runs the assimilators and validators regularly stop running.
Every week or 10 days they fail and it takes a few days to re-boot them.
Is there any way to put in a permanent fix or at least a regular (daily or even hourly) check?

3) Tasks that failed due to Computation Errors or which have failed validation for some other reason used to be awarded credits for work done in a subsequent daily cleanup job.
This job seems to have failed to run for something like a year and a lot of work now goes unrewarded for no fault of the affected user.
Can this job be reinstated. please?


After a period of no work at all, yesterday I got five R@H tasks, two of which ended as "error while computing."
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Message 111817 - Posted: 25 Dec 2024, 20:04:55 UTC

Oh, what a surprise.
The boinc-process host has died again.
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Message 111819 - Posted: 25 Dec 2024, 21:18:32 UTC

I already replied here,
im running SiDock@Home (No Tasks)
+ Rosetta@Home (also no Tasks)

Trying this for 3 Days now with a new PC?
Only Changes is a GForce RTX now, before it was a RX Radeon
but no other changes...

I hope it will be only a Server issue
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Message 111820 - Posted: 25 Dec 2024, 23:07:16 UTC - in response to Message 111819.  

I hope it will be only a Server issue
Rosetta has no work at present.
SiDock does have some work at present, so you need to check there why you aren't getting any.
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Message 111821 - Posted: 26 Dec 2024, 1:29:41 UTC - in response to Message 111820.  

I hope it will be only a Server issue
Rosetta has no work at present.
SiDock does have some work at present, so you need to check there why you aren't getting any.

SiDock only has "short tasks" and I don't know what setting I need to change to receive any of them. Any advice would be appreciated.
And WCG is also down for maintenance until the new year, so I'm 0 for 3 atm apart from mopping up a few Rosetta tasks that snuck through earlier today
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Message 111823 - Posted: 26 Dec 2024, 3:06:20 UTC - in response to Message 111821.  
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SiDock is ARM architecture only meow until further notice from them. Basically dormant. Asked them for a forecast, they will not say when they will have x86 work again.
WCG's new Mapping Arthritis Markers (MAM?) will be interesting. They seem to have goals of becoming a true HPC workhorse so we'll see if their infrastructure is ready. https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~juris/jlab/wcg.html
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Message 111824 - Posted: 26 Dec 2024, 5:20:07 UTC - in response to Message 111823.  

SiDock is ARM architecture only meow until further notice from them. Basically dormant.
Would have been nice if they would have put that somewhere on their website.
Ideally the main page, but even in the Proiect News would have been nice.

I'm guessing they have very little work available, hence an application with a very (very) small user base (even with those with Linux systems prepared to roll their own to crunch ARM on Linux).
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Message 111825 - Posted: 26 Dec 2024, 11:57:14 UTC - in response to Message 111824.  

SiDock is ARM architecture only meow until further notice from them. Basically dormant.
Would have been nice if they would have put that somewhere on their website.
Ideally the main page, but even in the Proiect News would have been nice.

I'm guessing they have very little work available, hence an application with a very (very) small user base (even with those with Linux systems prepared to roll their own to crunch ARM on Linux).


They have been announcing it for the past month - they even tried to explain why
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Message 111826 - Posted: 26 Dec 2024, 14:22:13 UTC - in response to Message 111823.  

SiDock is ARM architecture only meow until further notice from them. Basically dormant. Asked them for a forecast, they will not say when they will have x86 work again.
WCG's new Mapping Arthritis Markers (MAM?) will be interesting. They seem to have goals of becoming a true HPC workhorse so we'll see if their infrastructure is ready. https://www.cs.toronto.edu/~juris/jlab/wcg.html

Thanks for that. I'm a complete novice with SiDock and am unaware of the basics.
And I've lost track of WCG since it moved under the Krembil umbrella, but you've made me check their 'operational status' page for the first time and that's clarified things for me.
Appreciate it
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Message 111827 - Posted: 26 Dec 2024, 17:49:00 UTC

While we are waiting for Rosetta and or SiDock and using alternate projects to satisfy our Science needs...

One other project for Science if you happen to have a Nvidia GPU available and ready for work is GPUGRID@HOME

Also a Science project

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Message 111828 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 2:04:46 UTC - in response to Message 111827.  

im getting below on rosetta and gpu grid both , can someone help please

12/27/2024 5:54:26 AM | Rosetta@home | Scheduler list fetch from https://boinc.bakerlab.org/rosetta/ failed: transient HTTP error
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Hostname boinc.bakerlab.org was found in DNS cache
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Trying 128.95.160.157:443...
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Connected to boinc.bakerlab.org (128.95.160.157) port 443
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: schannel: disabled automatic use of client certificate
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: ALPN: curl offers http/1.1
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: schannel: next InitializeSecurityContext failed: CRYPT_E_REVOCATION_OFFLINE (0x80092013) - The revocation function was unable to check revocation because the revocation server was offline.
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Closing connection
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: schannel: shutting down SSL/TLS connection with boinc.bakerlab.org port 443
12/27/2024 5:54:27 AM | | [http] HTTP error: SSL connect error
12/27/2024 5:54:29 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Connection 7 seems to be dead
12/27/2024 5:54:29 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Closing connection
12/27/2024 5:54:29 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: schannel: shutting down SSL/TLS connection with denis.usj.es port 443
12/27/2024 5:54:29 AM | | [http] [ID#0] Info: Host www.worldcommunitygrid.org:443 was resolved.
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Message 111829 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 2:09:48 UTC - in response to Message 111798.  

im having this for weeks on here and gpugrid.did this error come back?

Is the download issue back again or is it just me? The other projects I'm running works just fine only Rosetta has problem.

I have 100++ jobs saying download but nothing happens. The logs are filled with transient HTTP error on all my servers.

I tried what is mentioned here earlier adding ip to the host file and flushing DNS caches. I tried reboot as well but still the same.

Dec 22 08:10:04 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:10:04 [Rosetta@home] Started download of rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Dec 22 08:10:04 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:10:04 [Rosetta@home] Started download of database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip
Dec 22 08:10:05 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:10:05 [Rosetta@home] Temporarily failed download of rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu: transient HTTP error
Dec 22 08:10:05 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:10:05 [Rosetta@home] Backing off 00:49:02 on download of rosetta_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Dec 22 08:10:05 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:10:05 [Rosetta@home] Temporarily failed download of database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip: transient HTTP error
Dec 22 08:10:05 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:10:05 [Rosetta@home] Backing off 00:31:40 on download of database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip
Dec 22 08:35:01 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:35:01 [Rosetta@home] update requested by user
Dec 22 08:37:28 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:37:28 [Rosetta@home] Sending scheduler request: Requested by user.
Dec 22 08:37:28 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:37:28 [Rosetta@home] Not requesting tasks: "no new tasks" requested via Manager
Dec 22 08:37:31 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:37:31 [Rosetta@home] Scheduler request completed
Dec 22 08:37:31 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:37:31 [Rosetta@home] Project requested delay of 31 seconds
Dec 22 08:46:40 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:46:40 [Rosetta@home] Started download of rosetta_graphics_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Dec 22 08:46:40 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:46:40 [Rosetta@home] Started download of database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip
Dec 22 08:46:42 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:46:42 [Rosetta@home] Temporarily failed download of rosetta_graphics_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu: transient HTTP error
Dec 22 08:46:42 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:46:42 [Rosetta@home] Backing off 01:11:40 on download of rosetta_graphics_4.20_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Dec 22 08:46:42 pm108 boinc[793256]: 22-Dec-2024 08:46:42 [Rosetta@home] Temporarily failed download of database_357d5d93529_n_methyl.zip: transient HTTP error

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Classical ... trying to find what is wrong for hours and finaly write a post here to see if it's just me. 5 minutes later it starts working by itself :)
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Message 111830 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 2:41:44 UTC - in response to Message 111825.  

They have been announcing it for the past month - they even tried to explain why
Very well hidden then IMHO.

Main page news stories-
Target # 23: Ebola GP1, 11 Jul 2024
Vote for the next target!, 26 Jan 2024
Project status: December 2023, 26 Dec 2023
etc.

The "About SiDock@home project" page makes no mention of it.
For someone thinking of joining the project, they're the places people are most likely going to checkout to find out about the project, and what hardware is supported.
And looking at the topics in Number crunching there is not even a hint in any of the thread titles for the last 12 months about the project becoming Arm / Arm on LINUX only.
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Message 111831 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 3:13:49 UTC - in response to Message 111830.  

They have been announcing it for the past month - they even tried to explain why
Very well hidden then IMHO.

Main page news stories-
Target # 23: Ebola GP1, 11 Jul 2024
Vote for the next target!, 26 Jan 2024
Project status: December 2023, 26 Dec 2023
etc.

The "About SiDock@home project" page makes no mention of it.
For someone thinking of joining the project, they're the places people are most likely going to checkout to find out about the project, and what hardware is supported.
And looking at the topics in Number crunching there is not even a hint in any of the thread titles for the last 12 months about the project becoming Arm / Arm on LINUX only.


Very well hidden and I failed to understand why
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Message 111832 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 3:29:06 UTC - in response to Message 111831.  
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Very well hidden and I failed to understand why
Unfortunately it's not just SIDock and Rosetta.
It seems to be something common amongst many BOINC projects- insufficient (if any) information on what hardware, and software (and their versions) are needed as a minimum to crunch work for the project, and letting people know about changes to those requirements when new applications are released, and older ones retired.

EDIT- and if that information exists, putting it somewhere where people would be likely to find it- ie News or About Project links...
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Message 111833 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 14:24:48 UTC - in response to Message 111827.  

While we are waiting for Rosetta and or SiDock and using alternate projects to satisfy our Science needs...

One other project for Science if you happen to have a Nvidia GPU available and ready for work is GPUGRID@HOME

Also a Science project

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Bill F

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Einstein at Home has x86 CPU tasks. And tasks for NVIDIA, Radeon, Intel and Apple (Darwin?) gpus. Yes they run ARM tasks too.

Pick one task GPU task (brp7/meerKat or OS3GW). Mixing both tasks on the same GPU will apparently slow things down.

I like GpuGrid. If I could afford to keep more Gpu's running I would have one running GpuGrid until it runs out of tasks and then switch to another GPU task.

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Message 111834 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 14:28:01 UTC - in response to Message 111829.  


[EDIT]
Classical ... trying to find what is wrong for hours and finaly write a post here to see if it's just me. 5 minutes later it starts working by itself :)
[/quote]

I call that the Mechanic/Technician effect. All too often as soon as you call in heavy support, the problem stops.
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Message 111835 - Posted: 27 Dec 2024, 18:34:44 UTC - in response to Message 111833.  

While we are waiting for Rosetta and or SiDock and using alternate projects to satisfy our Science needs...

One other project for Science if you happen to have a Nvidia GPU available and ready for work is GPUGRID@HOME

Also a Science project

Respectfully
Bill F

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Einstein at Home has x86 CPU tasks. And tasks for NVIDIA, Radeon, Intel and Apple (Darwin?) gpus. Yes they run ARM tasks too.

Pick one task GPU task (brp7/meerKat or OS3GW). Mixing both tasks on the same GPU will apparently slow things down.

I like GpuGrid. If I could afford to keep more Gpu's running I would have one running GpuGrid until it runs out of tasks and then switch to another GPU task.

Respectfully!


OBTW,

Asteroids at Home, Milky way and Prime Grid all run both gpu and CPU tasks.
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