Problems and Technical Issues with Rosetta@home

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robertmiles Send message Joined: 16 Jun 08 Posts: 1235 Credit: 14,372,156 RAC: 1,136	Message 107476 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 5:07:38 UTC - in response to Message 107473. What I'm seeing with GPUGRID work does not agree with you. The tasks start out with an expected runtime of hundreds of days (well past the deadline) and actually finish in less than two days, over and over. One possibility I've thought of - the duration correction factor works for CPU tasks, but does not work for GPU tasks. I've only seen this odd behavior on GPU tasks, GPUGRID seldom offers any CPU tasks. Complain to GPU Grid and suggest you might leave if they mess around. Stealing CPU time from other projects is theft. They aren't using much CPU time - only GPU time. They aren't increasing the GPU time they get - only getting it sooner then otherwise. ID: 107476 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107477 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 5:15:54 UTC - in response to Message 107476. They aren't using much CPU time - only GPU time. Which is worse, and clearly what I meant. They aren't increasing the GPU time they get - only getting it sooner then otherwise. And disturbing your queue of work so things could get returned late. Climate prediction do the opposite and refuse to change, they shoot themselves in the foot. They want the tasks back in 1 month, but they set the deadline at 1 year. So Boinc doesn't do them as urgently as it should and they get the tasks back late. ID: 107477 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107479 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 6:58:41 UTC - in response to Message 107475. Last modified: 18 Oct 2022, 7:10:29 UTC Cosmology Denis - he's not creating any work right now and has gone silent. Tasks ready to send 0 Tasks in progress 0 Einstein - new radio waves research by a PhD student - already got that one LHC - constant supply of single core and multicore VB work. - Running ATLAS Milkyway - Got thhis QuChemPedia - interesting chemistry research - Can't run this, does not work on my system. Might try again. Rosetta - duh Sidock - got this TN-Grid - genetics _ interesting, will have a look *Is this CPU or GPU or both?* Universe - used to run that. WCG - loads of work now, and I've never had a single error you speak of Only getting OPN because I am trying to fill my GPU queue. CPU has enough 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM \| World Community Grid \| Temporarily failed download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt: transient HTTP error 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM \| World Community Grid \| Backing off 00:10:09 on download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt (and repeat 15 times) - aborted. They didn't do a blinking thing over night which is normal when they are stalled out with transient. I think I abort more stalled downloads than I do work. Seems to be a GPU task thing. CPU works just fine. Almost thing its time to stuff WCG for a month and come back. Another group that is in over their heads and can't fix stuff. ID: 107479 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107481 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 7:27:18 UTC - in response to Message 107479. Last modified: 18 Oct 2022, 7:27:47 UTC QuChemPedia - interesting chemistry research - Can't run this, does not work on my system. Might try again. I don't remember having problems, but they're out of work just now so I can't test, and I haven't run it for so long my tasks aren't in Boinctasks history or server history. TN-Grid - genetics _ interesting, will have a look *Is this CPU or GPU or both?* CPU only. WCG - loads of work now, and I've never had a single error you speak of Only getting OPN because I am trying to fill my GPU queue. CPU has enough 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM \| World Community Grid \| Temporarily failed download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt: transient HTTP error 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM \| World Community Grid \| Backing off 00:10:09 on download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt (and repeat 15 times) - aborted. They didn't do a blinking thing over night which is normal when they are stalled out with transient. I think I abort more stalled downloads than I do work. Seems to be a GPU task thing. CPU works just fine. Almost thing its time to stuff WCG for a month and come back. Another group that is in over their heads and can't fix stuff. So your only problem is you have to retry downloads? You need to run "boinccmd --network_available" from a batch file and/or task scheduler. This will retry all downloads. You can set it to run as often as you like. ID: 107481 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107484 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 10:32:54 UTC - in response to Message 107481. Last modified: 18 Oct 2022, 10:36:59 UTC QuChemPedia - interesting chemistry research - Can't run this, does not work on my system. Might try again. I don't remember having problems, but they're out of work just now so I can't test, and I haven't run it for so long my tasks aren't in Boinctasks history or server history. TN-Grid - genetics _ interesting, will have a look *Is this CPU or GPU or both?* CPU only. - bah..there is enough CPU stuff out there and I have plenty of work for CPU. I'm looking for GPU now. If Denis comes back something has to go. WCG - loads of work now, and I've never had a single error you speak of Only getting OPN because I am trying to fill my GPU queue. CPU has enough 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM \| World Community Grid \| Temporarily failed download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt: transient HTTP error 10/18/2022 8:50:47 AM \| World Community Grid \| Backing off 00:10:09 on download of ab73b5548cff860eccd4f3bd6afcc1b4.pdbqt (and repeat 15 times) - aborted. They didn't do a blinking thing over night which is normal when they are stalled out with transient. I think I abort more stalled downloads than I do work. Seems to be a GPU task thing. CPU works just fine. Almost thing its time to stuff WCG for a month and come back. Another group that is in over their heads and can't fix stuff. So your only problem is you have to retry downloads? You need to run "boinccmd --network_available" from a batch file and/or task scheduler. This will retry all downloads. You can set it to run as often as you like. I tried looking that up..I don't really understand or know what to do to make downloads retry every 5 mins or something ID: 107484 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107485 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 10:39:50 UTC Last modified: 18 Oct 2022, 10:40:49 UTC TN is only using 29.51%. GPU grid is done processing. Now just a lucky WCG and a PrimeGrid are running. So whats up with that? Oh and since I was having trouble with WCG GPU, I opened it up to CPU, but still only get GPU if they succeed in downloading. ID: 107485 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

kotenok2000 Send message Joined: 22 Feb 11 Posts: 277 Credit: 523,512 RAC: 610	Message 107486 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 10:41:03 UTC - in response to Message 107484. cd /d e:\Program Files\BOINC :loop boinccmd --network_available TIMEOUT /T 300 /nobreak goto loop ID: 107486 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107487 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 10:48:16 UTC - in response to Message 107486. cd /d e:\Program Files\BOINC :loop boinccmd --network_available TIMEOUT /T 300 /nobreak goto loop Which I placed in a batch file and told Windows to run at startup and minimised. ID: 107487 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107488 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 10:49:54 UTC - in response to Message 107485. TN is only using 29.51%. Do you mean a TNGrid task only uses 29.51% of a CPU core? Oh and since I was having trouble with WCG GPU, I opened it up to CPU, but still only get GPU if they succeed in downloading. Their settings on the server are probably still fucked, they were last time I tried to change them, so you can't make a computer get different sorts of tasks than you usually do. ID: 107488 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107489 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 11:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 107487. cd /d e:\Program Files\BOINC :loop boinccmd --network_available TIMEOUT /T 300 /nobreak goto loop Which I placed in a batch file and told Windows to run at startup and minimised. what do you call this file? ID: 107489 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107490 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 11:20:02 UTC So WCG is screwed up, Cosmology as well. What's going on? I went back to MOO. I used to do them long ago, but looks like my account was deleted at some point in time. ID: 107490 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107491 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 11:22:05 UTC - in response to Message 107488. [quote]TN is only using 29.51%. Do you mean a TNGrid task only uses 29.51% of a CPU core? - Correct. now its at 46.82% ID: 107491 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107492 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 11:37:46 UTC - in response to Message 107489. cd /d e:\Program Files\BOINC :loop boinccmd --network_available TIMEOUT /T 300 /nobreak goto loop Which I placed in a batch file and told Windows to run at startup and minimised. what do you call this file? Anything ending in .bat, for example hamster.bat ID: 107492 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107493 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 11:39:04 UTC - in response to Message 107490. So WCG is screwed up, Cosmology as well. What's going on? Lack of funds? I went back to MOO. I used to do them long ago, but looks like my account was deleted at some point in time. I lost my Climate prediction account too, a few years back. The admins had no idea why it went away. ID: 107493 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107494 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 11:44:31 UTC - in response to Message 107491. Last modified: 18 Oct 2022, 11:46:12 UTC [quote]TN is only using 29.51%. Do you mean a TNGrid task only uses 29.51% of a CPU core? - Correct. now its at 46.82% Odd, I just tried one on a Ryzen 9 3900X and it's 100%. Yours has the required AVX instruction set. What's the total CPU usage reported in task manager? I had thought about the bug in the new version of Windows 11 which causes incorrect CPU % reporting, but you're on Windows 10. I'm not aware of a bug in that, but there might be the same one. Are any other projects doing the same? ID: 107494 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107497 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 15:29:58 UTC ID: 107497 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107498 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 15:30:27 UTC ID: 107498 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107499 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 15:31:21 UTC Last modified: 18 Oct 2022, 15:31:53 UTC FAH both GPU's BOINC 1 GPU at the moment, 15 cores in total allocated to BOINC TN got more work, so more cores as its a new project. MOO is also "new" ID: 107499 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Greg_BE Send message Joined: 30 May 06 Posts: 5691 Credit: 5,859,226 RAC: 0	Message 107500 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 21:02:16 UTC - in response to Message 107499. FAH both GPU's BOINC 1 GPU at the moment, 15 cores in total allocated to BOINC TN got more work, so more cores as its a new project. MOO is also "new" Must have been a learning thing. CPU's in the 90s now on TN ID: 107500 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote

Mr P Hucker Send message Joined: 12 Aug 06 Posts: 1600 Credit: 12,483,655 RAC: 23,202	Message 107501 - Posted: 18 Oct 2022, 22:26:24 UTC - in response to Message 107500. Last modified: 18 Oct 2022, 22:27:10 UTC FAH both GPU's BOINC 1 GPU at the moment, 15 cores in total allocated to BOINC TN got more work, so more cores as its a new project. MOO is also "new" Must have been a learning thing. CPU's in the 90s now on TN Either that or you're running more things than cores. You have 16 cores, but you're using 17 cores (Moo is using two cores, as indicated by task manager saying 12%). The CPU doesn't care, but you should watch your GPU usage, because if the CPU is overloaded, it might not feed the GPU fast enough (depends on the project). ID: 107501 · Rating: 0 · rate: / Reply Quote