Mod.Tymbrimi. Where are we supposed to retreive those message numbers from ? You have moved all the threads around, cut them up and hidden a lot of them. The posts are available, but the message numbers are not easily available anymore to the ordinary poster ? The message numbers for those posts are effectively hidden now for the average poster ?

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Mod.Tymbrimi. Where are we supposed to retreive those message numbers from ? You have moved all the threads around, cut them up and hidden a lot of them. The posts are available, but the message numbers are not easily available anymore to the ordinary poster ? The message numbers for those posts are hidden now ?

Tymbrimi is asking for something he made sure cannot be done as he changed and deleted at will.

Once the threads have been hidden and chopped at will by the moderators and given the activism of some of the moderators, should they resurface now , their probative validity is as good as tampered evidence.

Whl:
Then give me the message numbers that bound the example, and how many messages from one side it is.

Such as "between message 27180 and 27205 and 2 away from 27205."

Then identify which of the 3 cases it's supposed to represent.
1. edited (someone else's post) simply because of my personal opinion.
2. deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
3. deleted simply because I disliked the author.

Jose:
I'm sorry, but my dictionary doesn't define irrational as crazy. If you want me to agree with something, post statements that are factual. I, personally, do not find the term "irrational" as "flamer material of the first kind."
You got the first part of my answer to the question of why I didn't edit out every copy of the term "irrational" in that thread.
You didn't ask whether I felt it was right or wrong.

Anyway.. give me the message number of an example of me performing one of those 3 actions.

Movieman:

Before you became a moderator here, were you a poster on this forum?

I sure hope I haven't been the official monthly calender poster. I didn't get any royalties. If they have a poster of me, then perhaps we can ask them to take it down. <grin>
Seriously, though, what difference would that make?

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Movieman:

Before you became a moderator here, were you a poster on this forum?

I sure hope I haven't been the official monthly calender poster. I didn't get any royalties. If they have a poster of me, then perhaps we can ask them to take it down. <grin>
Seriously, though, what difference would that make?

It would make a difference were you someone with very strong views on either side of the issues involved here.
So back to my question, were you a poster on this forum before you became a moderator here?

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Whl:
Then give me the message numbers that bound the example, and how many messages from one side it is.

Such as "between message 27180 and 27205 and 2 away from 27205."

Then identify which of the 3 cases it's supposed to represent.
1. edited (someone else's post) simply because of my personal opinion.
2. deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
3. deleted simply because I disliked the author.

I dont have time for all of that. They are much too scattered and all over the place.

All of my deleted/hidden posts can be seen in the "We need a new forum" thread via the URL I provided there. Some are marked with an explanation as to why they were deleted/hidden and some have no explanations and are unmarked. People can have a look and draw their own conclusions as to why they were deleted/hidden.

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All of my deleted/hidden posts can be seen in the "We need a new forum" thread via the URL I provided there. Some are marked with an explanation as to why they were deleted/hidden and some have no explanations and are unmarked. People can have a look and draw their own conclusions as to why they were deleted/hidden.

You can only see your own hidden posts, or others posts in hidden threads, that were not explicitly hidden by itself.
I can't see your modded posts, and you can't se mine. I've got a buch of them, not always with an explanation email, but most of the time. I think you must have a bunch as well, but if I look at your posting list, I only see the unmodded.
Try for yourself, and log out and look at your posts, and then log in again, it should be more now, at least it's with me.

Nemesis: I'll save that comment until you present at least one of the requested 3 message numbers.

Obviously I can't see other peoples' deleted posts, so I can only point you to Mod.DE's posting history.

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

All of my deleted/hidden posts can be seen in the "We need a new forum" thread via the URL I provided there. Some are marked with an explanation as to why they were deleted/hidden and some have no explanations and are unmarked. People can have a look and draw their own conclusions as to why they were deleted/hidden.

You can only see your own hidden posts, or others posts in hidden threads, that were not explicitly hidden by itself.
I can't see your modded posts, and you can't se mine. I've got a buch of them, not always with an explanation email, but most of the time. I think you must have a bunch as well, but if I look at your posting list, I only see the unmodded.
Try for yourself, and log out and look at your posts, and then log in again, it should be more now, at least it's with me.

I did'nt realise that.

I've cached them elsewhere for you.
Here

Here

And here

A lot of them are just hidden and not marked at all explaining why like some of them are.

Can you see those ok ?

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Pick one post, Whl, and state which of the 3 cases you feel it represents.

Then identify which of the 3 cases it's supposed to represent.
1. edited (someone else's post) simply because of my personal opinion.
2. deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
3. deleted simply because I disliked the author.

For reason number 1, you should be able to do a search on my posts, or visit the Another New Credit thread and post the message number.

Reason 2 will be tough to prove; as many of the edited posts in the Another New Credit thread are posts with statements that I don't agree with. Yet I only removed a few rule breaking words and phrases.

Reason 3 will be even tougher to prove; as even if the author of Talledega Nights started posting here, their posts would not be deleted simply because I disliked them. <smile>

Movieman:
Yes, I have strong opinions on this matter - that the methods being attempted to show which side is right - are completely wrong. It seems like egging and keying the cars parked at a duck hunting area in the mistaken belief that it will convince the hunters to stop hunting ducks.
Since this is not my war, I'm being attacked from more than two sides because I don't support their side. <smile> Such is the role of a moderator.

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I'm being attacked from more than two sides because I don't support their side.

And how is it moderation happens on most forums, inc WCG recently and this doesn`t happen to the mods there ?

the hunters to stop hunting ducks.

Ahhh Canadian <wink>

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Pick one post, Whl, and state which of the 3 cases you feel it represents.

Then identify which of the 3 cases it's supposed to represent.
1. edited (someone else's post) simply because of my personal opinion.
2. deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
3. deleted simply because I disliked the author.

For reason number 1, you should be able to do a search on my posts, or visit the Another New Credit thread and post the message number.

Reason 2 will be tough to prove; as many of the edited posts in the Another New Credit thread are posts with statements that I don't agree with. Yet I only removed a few rule breaking words and phrases.

Reason 3 will be even tougher to prove; as even if the author of Talledega Nights started posting here, their posts would not be deleted simply because I disliked them. <smile>

Movieman:
Yes, I have strong opinions on this matter - that the methods being attempted to show which side is right - are completely wrong. It seems like egging and keying the cars parked at a duck hunting area in the mistaken belief that it will convince the hunters to stop hunting ducks.
Since this is not my war, I'm being attacked from more than two sides because I don't support their side. <smile> Such is the role of a moderator.

Not your post, but one that I had in mind:
mod.DE post that is way over the line.

mod.DE is making an asssumption based on his personal opinion that the posts by Whl. were mode solely to discredit (what is this anyway) the project.

mod.DE prohibiting Whl. from posting his opinions, and demanding the form of the posts by Whl. meet some format criteria.

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

Nemesis:
I can see both sides of that. It's possible to see Whl's comments in that thread as hostile and negative. I also understood what Whl's complaint is based on. Considering both viewpoints, I don't see anything wrong with asking Whl to be more polite and constructive.
If you still feel the wording in that post is that objectionable, then post the link here. And the moderation team will discuss it.

That wasn't mine, and it wasn't a message that was edited or deleted.

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Nemesis:
I can see both sides of that. It's possible to see Whl's comments in that thread as hostile and negative. I also understood what Whl's complaint is based on. Considering both viewpoints, I don't see anything wrong with asking Whl to be more polite and constructive.
If you still feel the wording in that post is that objectionable, then post the link here. And the moderation team will discuss it.

That wasn't mine, and it wasn't a message that was edited or deleted.

NO!

You don't get to ask or demand that people post in a certain "tone" or "attitude". That is not in your charter. Tone of post is not a violation of any rule unless it becomes obscene or insulting or any of the other no-nos. But prior restraint of content is not appropriate for mods, and censoring or threatening to censor for that is also inappropriate.

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

If you feel it is that far out of line, then post your link in the thread listed in my previous message.

And back to the 3 guidelines you linked to, and the message number of an example of mine for each of those guidelines? Not the other moderators.. me. <smile>

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If you feel it is that far out of line, then post your link in the thread listed in my previous message.

And back to the 3 guidelines you linked to, and the message number of an example of mine for each of those guidelines? Not the other moderators.. me. <smile>

My original post of the guidelines was not addressed to any specific moderator. You seem to be taking it personally.

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Nemesis n. A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

Pick one post, Whl, and state which of the 3 cases you feel it represents.

Then identify which of the 3 cases it's supposed to represent.
1. edited (someone else's post) simply because of my personal opinion.
2. deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
3. deleted simply because I disliked the author.

For reason number 1, you should be able to do a search on my posts, or visit the Another New Credit thread and post the message number.

Reason 2 will be tough to prove; as many of the edited posts in the Another New Credit thread are posts with statements that I don't agree with. Yet I only removed a few rule breaking words and phrases.

Reason 3 will be even tougher to prove; as even if the author of Talledega Nights started posting here, their posts would not be deleted simply because I disliked them. <smile>

I cant tell what is in your mind when you delete my posts and none of the above three reasons might apply. For all I know there might be many more than those.

What people might not realise when they look in the 3 URL's I provided further back is that only some of them are marked in red with an explanation. A lot of those posts were deleted/hidden and still are and are not marked in red at all. So people looking might say "What is he talking about? I can only see a few red ones" I dont even know if it was you or not who deleted/hid some of those, as I did'nt receive an email explanation for a lot of them.

An example of how censor Mad the Mods have gone here are messages 15, 14 and 13 in the second URL I provided a bit further back. They are marked as "Off Topic". The thread I posted them in was about censorship ? I gave those as an example, as I know for sure it was Mod.Sense who deleted them and I was sent emails for them. So I can say that for sure without accusing someone else of something they had nothing to do with. It is difficult with a lot of the others, because, as I said I was sent no emails for a lot of them. I was sent emails a few days after the event for some, but not all after I complained.

I was in lurk mode checking out the science posts etc, as I said before in one of my posts that was hidden. I intended to go back into lurk mode after that. If my post(s) had not been hidden, I would have done that and there would have been no need for any of the other posts I made.

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I've posted a response to Whl.'s moderation concerns in the moderators contact thread, where it belongs.

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Thus ends the moderation discussions in this thread.

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And back to the 3 guidelines you linked to, and the message number of an example of mine for each of those guidelines? Not the other moderators.. me. <smile>

Look this type of officious smugness (the smile) is going to cause problems all the time. Tymbrimi is trouble with a capital T he has never, including in his normal posting (without the mod pseudo) been able to post like a normal person and never will. Mark my words with Tymbrimi here there will always be trouble !


I am a hot head, passionate with a sense of justice and fair play. I have argued yet had reasonable conversations with Ethan, mod.Sense and even mod.De but not mod.Tymbrimi.

The same goes for others.

Mod.Tymbrimi is not reasonable ,he is smug, malicious and devious. In his post`s there is invariably an insult wrapped up in cotton wool that entices the poster to start an argument. He is not Mod material and there will always be problems as long as he is.

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1. edited (someone else's post) simply because of my personal opinion.
2. deleted simply because I disagreed with the post.
3. deleted simply because I disliked the author.

Right now let`s look at Tymbrimi`s three law`s... You don`t like me do you...Have you asked yourself why Tymbrimi ?


No.1....If you edit it is because in your opinion the post is bad. So no.1 will always apply.

Number 2 is very much the same.

Number 3 can never be proved because it`s only something you would know and would not let on if true.

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Make no mistake This IS the TEDDIES TEAM.